| Chairman: | Harry R. Kissileff, Ph.D. |
| Rapporteur: | Janet L. Guss |
| Date: | Thursday, April 19th, 2001 |
| Title: | "Chemical Senses: Goad to Appetite" |
| Speaker: | Thomas R. Scott, San Diego State University, San Diego, CA |
Q: Since you believe that gustatory coding is analogous to the visual system, are the movements of the tongue analogous to movements of the eye in the visual system?
A: No; vision is a location sense-it is exquisitely sensitive to place. Taste is quite different: the location of a taste stimulus in the mouth is given by touch more than by taste. Tongue movements are important in opening the channels that permit taste molecules to reach receptors, so an active tongue yields larger responses than a passive one. But tongue movements do not scan the taste world in the way eye movements scan the visual world.
Q: What about within the gustatory cortex; is there ever cross-talk that links vision with taste?
A: Rolls's lab reports that gustatory and visual information converge onto individual cells in the orbitofrontal cortex. We occasionally find neurons in insular-opercular cortex that respond to the sight of the syringe from which the monkey will be fed. The sight of non-food objects does not activate these cells. At the receptor level, both vision and taste use similar g-proteins: transducin in the visual system and gusducin in the gustatory system.
Q: Continuing with the analogy to the visual system, are the basic tastes- salt, sweet, sour, bitter- analogous to 'primary colors'?
A: There are analogies. We conclude that there are information channels in taste that might correspond to wavelength channels in vision (r, y, g, b). There are reports of aftereffects in taste, where a neutral stimulus (distilled water) tastes sweet after bitter adaptation and vice-versa. This is analogous to r-g and b-y color aftereffects, implying an opponent process system in taste. But there is no evidence that tastes are as intimately compared to synthesize new tastes, as primary colors are to generate secondary colors.
Q: Are the reciprocal connections from the forebrain to the hindbrain in primates very dense?
A: There are rich projections, from each forebrain site to the nucleus of the solitary tract, and from related visceral areas to the parabrachial nucleus.
Q: Can taste cells generate action potentials?
A: Yes; but initially the channels were thought to be too leaky to produce action potentials. The presence of action potentials was subsequently CONFIRMED when it was shown that channel blockade with amiloride (a sodium channel blocker) altered membrane potential. It turns out that the presumed leakage actually resulted from damage to the cell membrane during penetration by an intracellular electrode. When this approach was replaced by patch clamping, the membrane impedance was found to be 10-100 gigaohms, sufficient to permit a receptor current of a few picoamps to generate the tens of millivolts necessary to depolarize the cell to threshold. Taste cells have a full range of ion channels, and so the biophysical machinery necessary to generate action potentials.
Q: Can animals be re-trained to a CTA after one has been extinguished, or is the time course constant?
A: I do not know if there are data on the time course of retraining of a CTA after extinction. Certainly the continued existence of a neural signal of the former CTA would imply that there is some record of that event, and this could underlie rapid relearning. The CTA is learned so quickly under normal circumstances that one might have to use uncommon approaches to see a difference, such as a very mild UCS.
Q: Is there any evidence that learning of any sort can take place in the NTS?
A: Certainly in the hindbrain. Grill's lab has reported that decerebrate rats alter their reactions to tastes according to primary signals of satiety, such as blood glucose levels. Specifically in the NTS there is electrophysiological evidence of changes brought about by conditioning, but no indication that these changes drive altered behavior.
Q: Regarding your extinction work, have you found the results to correlate with changes in c-fos expression?
A: Tom Houpt or Ilene Bernstein may have data on the fate of c-fos expression after extinction of a CTA, but I am not aware of it. We have used c-fos to mark the sites of involvement in generating a CTA, but have not used it after extinction.
Q: How do you deal with the methodological problems that arise when comparing firing rates in deprived versus replete states? One cannot know if he is recording from the same neuron!
A: That's a crucial issue. When we see changes between the taste responses in sodium deprived and sodium replete rats, how can we tell whether salt cells have turned to sweet cells during the 2 weeks of deprivation, or whether salt cells just quiet down and sweet cells become more active? Using separate groups of rats, and so separate populations of neurons, we cannot. Therefore, Stuart Mccaughey took on the heroic task of recording from the same cell before and after the sodium appetite was generated. The time frame of creating the sodium appetite is brought within the bounds of the recording time by using the technique developed in Epstein's lab. A sodium appetite is created quickly by mimicking the effects of the neurotransmitters and neuromodulators that underlie it. Mccaughey primed each rat with daily injections of aldosterone to increase AII receptors. Then, during recording, he isolated the activity of an NTS taste cell, characterized its response profile in the absence of a sodium appetite, then gave a pulse injection of renin intracerebroventricularly, to generate AII, and the sodium appetite. He then reapplied all stimuli to re-characterize the cell's response profile (yoked behavioral controls provided confidence that there was no sodium appetite before the renin and a robust appetite 5 minutes after its administration). Mccaughey's results indicate that taste cells do not change identity. Salt cells stayed salt cells, but their responses to sodium declined. Sugar cells stayed sugar cells, but their responses to sodium were enhanced.
Q: How can a cell be isolated for study, while you are simultaneously generating a sodium appetite in it?
A: One can use the technique pioneered by Alan Epstein and described above.
Q: Can you offer sodium, and then sucrose, and eventually get the animal to be unable to distinguish the two tastes?
A: While it is unlikely ever to come to inability to distinguish, there is a suggestion from frankmann's lab that feeding rats sucrose partially allays the sodium appetite, as if the tastes were confounded. We performed a behavioral study to see if rats would confuse sodium with sucrose when they were sodium deprived. They did not, but this was a simple 2-choice test with moderate concentrations of both stimuli, and the distinction should have been very clear. Perhaps a subtler test of whether sugar can substitute for sodium in deprived rats would be successful.
Q: Is there any lateral inhibition?
A: Inglis Miller showed lateral inhibition among fungiform papillae in 1971. There is also an indication that the 7th and 9th nerve mutually inhibit, such that cutting either one leads to hypergeusia from the disinhibition of the other.
Q: What about olfactory responses in the thalamus?
A: I do not know of any data on olfactory overlap with taste in the thalamus. However, olfactory input has been reported in the NTS by Rick Van Buskirk in Erickson's lab and independently by Pat Dilorenzo. Certainly there are olfactory-gustatory interactions in orbitofrontal cortex of the macaque monkey, and in the central nucleus of the amygdala and the lateral hypothalamus.